tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post112491787156390169..comments2024-03-15T04:02:42.341-04:00Comments on CrimLaw: ATF Out of ControlUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1125073171895257962005-08-26T12:19:00.000-04:002005-08-26T12:19:00.000-04:00Remember, the ATF is the IRS with guns, the IRS is...<I> Remember, the ATF is the IRS with guns, the IRS is the ATF without guns.</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, IRS agents can, and sometimes do, carry guns. I can't find the statute at the moment, but googling 'irs +"carry guns"' will turn up examples.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1124993553683549032005-08-25T14:12:00.000-04:002005-08-25T14:12:00.000-04:00Remember, the ATF is the IRS with guns, the IRS is...Remember, the ATF is the IRS with guns, the IRS is the ATF without guns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1124978831899989162005-08-25T10:07:00.000-04:002005-08-25T10:07:00.000-04:00The original alert sent by VCDL president to the l...The original alert sent by VCDL president to the list-serve members did not mention the total number of officers, only that there were over 17 ATF agents. Quote from the message:<BR/><BR/>"They had over 17 BATFE agents at that show. Richmond and Henrico had a large number of officers running to the homes of anyone purchasing a handgun to ask questions."<BR/><BR/>I would guess the 500 is a typo, not a hoax.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1124978326840605122005-08-25T09:58:00.000-04:002005-08-25T09:58:00.000-04:00Firehand, the quote came from the Democrat Congres...Firehand, the quote came from the Democrat Congressman from Michigan, John Dingell, during House testimony concerning BATF abuses (and at that time they were many). The full quote is: "If I were to select a jack-booted group of fascists who were perhaps as large a danger to American society as I could pick today, I would pick BATF. They are a shame and a disgrace to our country."<BR/><BR/>Disclosure: Dingell was, at one time, an NRA Board Member.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10324035824298948422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1124975255261066672005-08-25T09:07:00.000-04:002005-08-25T09:07:00.000-04:00Matt, remember the 'jackbooted thugs' comment came...Matt, remember the 'jackbooted thugs' comment came from a speech on the floor of the House from a Democrat(can't remember his name offhand). Not a word said about it in the news, but when NRA quoted it in that letter...Firehandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562365951182027709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1124950116568671312005-08-25T02:08:00.000-04:002005-08-25T02:08:00.000-04:00D'oh!My mistake. I read the same story everyone el...D'oh!<BR/><BR/>My mistake. I read the same story everyone else seems to have, and the number of local police supposedly involved in the ATF operation was 500. I can only guess I got confused with the number of cop cars reported at the gun show, which was 50.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1124949586445724242005-08-25T01:59:00.000-04:002005-08-25T01:59:00.000-04:00The story I read said there were 50 LE harrasing t...The story I read said there were 50 LE harrasing the gun show, not 500. Sounds like someone slipped on the keyboard when repeating the story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1124939805172045302005-08-24T23:16:00.000-04:002005-08-24T23:16:00.000-04:00VCDL is a straight up organization. They don't thr...VCDL is a straight up organization. They don't through bull around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1124938246565947922005-08-24T22:50:00.000-04:002005-08-24T22:50:00.000-04:00I don't know if it is a hoax, but I suspect it has...I don't know if it is a hoax, but I suspect it has exaggerations. For instance, I have a rough idea of the force strengths of local police forces and 500 officers would be a strain.<BR/><BR/>I suspect that there probably were at least a few "straw-man" checks to see if someone actually lived where he claimed to and wasn't buying firearms in order to take them back to NYC with him.<BR/><BR/>And, yes, I would be happier if I could have found this story in a local news outlet. However, I know that the local talk radio guy was talking about how he tried to contact the police and couldn't get them to talk about it (which would be strange if it were entirely untrue).Ken Lammershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15646250142814585354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1124937682601586722005-08-24T22:41:00.000-04:002005-08-24T22:41:00.000-04:00http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/vade...http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/vadetail.html?RECID=842115&FILTER=<BR/><BR/>This appears to be the origin of the story. There is nothing independent in support. There is some lame nonsense about "total news blackout."<BR/><BR/>I think you have been hoaxed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1124934239604563592005-08-24T21:43:00.000-04:002005-08-24T21:43:00.000-04:00Too bad we're still in that "awkward phase."Too bad we're still in that "awkward phase."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1124926589226049852005-08-24T19:36:00.000-04:002005-08-24T19:36:00.000-04:00I had heard rumors about this. It doesn't surpris...I had heard rumors about this. It doesn't surprise me. The NRA's "jackbooted thugs" ad, while it may have been ill-advised as a PR matter, was very accurate as a factual matter. ATF has been out of control for a long time, and Bush has done an abysmal job of reigning it in. Under Reagan, ATF's budget was cut so severely that it was effectively defanged. But in the brave, new world of homeland security and spendthrifty Republicans, no one in government seems to be paying attention anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com