tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post111885199329474249..comments2024-03-15T04:02:42.341-04:00Comments on CrimLaw: A Eureka MomentUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1119041592241676522005-06-17T16:53:00.000-04:002005-06-17T16:53:00.000-04:00Mr. Car, Mr. Ken,I'm the idiot who lived with the ...Mr. Car, Mr. Ken,<BR/><BR/>I'm the idiot who lived with the drug dealer. I take full responsiblity for my actions and I'd take full responsibility for any crimes they could prove I committed(been there, done that, grown up, gotten a job, voted for Bush). My point, and perhaps it didn't come through well, was a very basic one. I don't like it when cops hot dog or joke and jostle in serious situations. While my complaint certainly seems petty, over-exhurberance of this type by law enforcement officers is counterproductive to their professional image. Making jokes and belittling someone who is doing their best to respect your authority is counterproductive and unprofessional.<BR/>If the police want to play cowboy, then they shouldn't expect to have a sober, professional image. Sorry if I offended anyone. I just get a bit indignant when the police do the whole "there he goes again defending that obviously guilty guy..." routine in these blogs. I mean, that might be jocular and cute among you professional law enforcing types, but to some of us private citizens its like waking in an operating room to see your heart surgeon playing catch with the anesthesiologist using a discarded organ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1119036093478318342005-06-17T15:21:00.000-04:002005-06-17T15:21:00.000-04:00It's all okay. Nobody actually crossed into vulga...It's all okay. Nobody actually crossed into vulgarity or ad hominem attacks (which will result in deletions). And I noticed the effort to keep it civil. I think Anon(video) probably had it correct stating that there were sparks but no actual flame. While I had some concerns as to where the discussion might be heading, it never actually went there and I again thank you all for the restraint.<BR/><BR/>I encourage everyone to speak their minds. I value the discussion. I'm just one of those strange people who also values civility. Living in Virginia for the last 9 years must be getting to me. :-)Ken Lammershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15646250142814585354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1119034454645520902005-06-17T14:54:00.000-04:002005-06-17T14:54:00.000-04:00Sorry, Ken. (I'm the (is it third) annomomie.) I k...Sorry, Ken. (I'm the (is it third) annomomie.) I know that there are lots of still-good LEOs out there (as well as good prosecutors and defenders and judges.) Guilt by association comes around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1118988843516843942005-06-17T02:14:00.000-04:002005-06-17T02:14:00.000-04:00Ken -What carpundit said. I never wanted to be any...Ken -<BR/><BR/>What carpundit said. I never wanted to be anything less than civil, and I think we, mostly, were, and bounded things well. <BR/><BR/>A key feature of progress with stability is the ability to politely disagree, and offer up reasoned, if impassioned, argument. While I understand your fear of a flamefest, I think we walked the line here in a dignified fashion. (Yay us, bloggers rock, etc.)<BR/><BR/>In any case, I see carpundit's point, and am glad they (he/she, whatever) at least tacitly acknowlege mine. <BR/><BR/>And I look forward to future discussions here, in which good minds with strong opinions cause, perhaps sparks, but no flames.<BR/><BR/>--the anonymous who didn't live with a drug dealer, but who probably lived with other felons in the past, and didn't know they were felons, 'cause, you know, that's hard to frame well on the rent-share ad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1118962068072808362005-06-16T18:47:00.000-04:002005-06-16T18:47:00.000-04:00I've been away from my computer since I posted yes...I've been away from my computer since I posted yesterday and have been getting the postings via email on my cell phone. I've been reading them with some trepidation noting that they were coming dangerously close to a flame war and I couldn't get to a computer to stop it.<BR/><BR/>While I probably would have stopped the discussion a little earlier, I want to thank you all for showing some restraint.<BR/><BR/>As I hope you all understand, this site is meant to be open to everyone - defendants, lay people, police, defense attorneys, prosecutors, judges, etc. I want anyone to be welcome to express a reasoned (and explained) view. I really don't want to have to shut down the comments because people are making fun of each other or being insulting. I realize that the different groups who come here are going to have widely divirgent views and expect that they will play off one another somewhat. However, I ask that everyone remain respectful and make every effort to give reasoned explanations of your views based upon your personal experiences or understanding of the law.<BR/><BR/>Thank you.Ken Lammershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15646250142814585354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1118955290156596212005-06-16T16:54:00.000-04:002005-06-16T16:54:00.000-04:00For the record, carpundit, I (being the anonymous ...For the record, carpundit, I (being the anonymous talking about video taping) am a different anonymous than the one who lived with the drug dealer. And the locale is Brooklyn, NY.<BR/><BR/>I respected cops a lot more when I lived in small towns. They were, for the most part, genuinely good, helpful and brave people. Large city cops are frightening, and from what I've seen, frequently a cause of problems, rather than a force for preventing them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1118944119440692792005-06-16T13:48:00.000-04:002005-06-16T13:48:00.000-04:00... fair for the criminals, fair for the cops, fai...... fair for the criminals, fair for the cops, fair for the lawyers ...<BR/><BR/>How about fair for those suspected?<BR/><BR/>Fair for those who are innocent?<BR/><BR/>Life's not fair, as one LEO said to me. He's right. What you've sent around is coming around.<BR/><BR/>"Do you have a problem with respecting Law Enforcement Officers?"<BR/><BR/>"Nah, I did for years, but now I don't!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1118939076255270942005-06-16T12:24:00.000-04:002005-06-16T12:24:00.000-04:00I extend you no sympathy on the search - you're th...<I>I extend you no sympathy on the search - you're the one who was living with the drug dealer.</I><BR/><BR/>I'll keep it polite, too; no reason to cause Ken any grief.<BR/><BR/>That sort of remark is why many of us have no respect for cops.<BR/><BR/>I'm leading a local push to have all searches, and planned detentions videotaped. The local cops have the money and the means, and videotape when it suits them. Make it mandatory, and I suspect we'll see a big drop in reported abuses that can't be proven. A good cop could only gain evidence to prove his point, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1118931676814731782005-06-16T10:21:00.000-04:002005-06-16T10:21:00.000-04:00I think it is amazing how police officers demand r...I think it is amazing how police officers demand respect while treating people like crap. I had a roomate in college who got caught selling drugs to an informant. About 8 "elite" detectives busted into our apartment and proceeded to tear through my possesions (in my room, not HIS room - my lawyer had a bit of fun with that) making bawdy fun of just about everything they found and leaving a horrible mess. I was not a suspect and was never charged with a crime, although I had to sit there in handcuffs while these "professionals" joked and jostled with my possessions (eg "how can a dope fiend read National Review! hahaha"). If police officers want to be treated like profesionals, they need to act like professionals.<BR/>Having a bad day or a difficult job or even a lack of respect from scumbags recidivists is a ridiculous excuse for obnoxious behavior.<BR/>Police officers are not McDonald's clerks, they are citizens who have been given special powers and priviledges over other citizens and indignities or difficulties on the job cannot possibly justify abusing them. Sorry, but life isn't fair. Its time law enforcement took that little cliche to heart instead of just using it as a defense for their shortcomings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1118887819035476322005-06-15T22:10:00.000-04:002005-06-15T22:10:00.000-04:00Naturally, we resent the hell out of this. I think...<I>Naturally, we resent the hell out of this. I think that if ABPO were treated more seriously by the prosecutor and the courts, there would be fewer suspects beaten senseless.</I><BR/><BR/>Cool. So that means cops beat people because of court handling of cases where the state grants authority. Got it. <BR/><BR/>I look forward to carpundit's defense of IRS agents who take money and ask questions later. Same thing, right? After all, someone might move money, or become judgement proof.<BR/><BR/>Next, we'll here defenses of needling, slapping the cuffs on hard, and chaining people to the pole and jerking the van around corners hard. Keeps 'em in line, yo.<BR/><BR/>Being a cop is hard. And it should be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4098620.post-1118877881237831422005-06-15T19:24:00.000-04:002005-06-15T19:24:00.000-04:00Is there a limit to the number of appeals you can ...Is there a limit to the number of appeals you can make on the same issue?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com